LARRY22
Giant Clam
Not really so far, but we are gradually getting closer :thumb1:ThatSkynyrdKid70 said:
Visual Artifacts Found in SpongeBob
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Original Raw and Uncut
Two-Headed Starfish
So that's why the outlines in seasons 2-3 are wobbly, but in season 4 onward they're completely straight.LARRY22 said:
LARRY22
Giant Clam
Most likely. That could also be why a lot of the early Season 4 episodes (in terms of airing order) have SpongeBob colored a pale shade of yellow (but unlike Season 2, they were actually colored that way). I guess they were getting used to the new program (Toon Boom). Notice they were all aired in 2005.Original Raw and Uncut said:
The episodes with PaleBob include Fear of a Krabby Patty - Krabs vs. Plankton, Skill Crane & Good Neighbors, and Enemy In-Law & Mermaid Man & Barnacle Boy VI: The Motion Picture.
LARRY22
Giant Clam
Sorry for double-posting everybody.
Question - I know this isn't about the VHS effect, but if they were to to go back to the Toonz files for Seasons 2-3 or Toon Boom files for Seasons 4-8 and remaster them, would they have to alter the background art or change the aspect ratio like South Park, or can they re-render the episodes without changing anything but the picture quality?
As 11th has said, they can go back to the anmation files and re-render the episodes at 1440x1080 because both Toonz and Toon Boom both use vector graphics.
Question - I know this isn't about the VHS effect, but if they were to to go back to the Toonz files for Seasons 2-3 or Toon Boom files for Seasons 4-8 and remaster them, would they have to alter the background art or change the aspect ratio like South Park, or can they re-render the episodes without changing anything but the picture quality?
As 11th has said, they can go back to the anmation files and re-render the episodes at 1440x1080 because both Toonz and Toon Boom both use vector graphics.
ThatSkynyrdKid70
2 year club
So I found this Facebook post, with a clip from Procrastination, with both Palebob and dot crawl. Not sure if it's much of a step in getting closer to figuring this out, but it's something. Whenever Procrastination airs on TV, it always has Palebob, but the actual video is super clean, with no dot-crawl at all, but on the DVD releases, there isn't any Palebob and the colors are normal, but there's a bit of noticeable dot crawl. This clip seems to be a weird fusion of TV airings and the DVD release. Not really sure what else to make of it.
https://www.facebook.com/spongebob/videos/670699089982625/?__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARDRYEh0Bn3NE4qcVvTIrK9DGUCo3kE3rlf50NwJn4Iu2ocJ3dQqwalCGgym0uHG-oJRr_8Uj5m4u8wQ5TuJLS7s6_QqM3_0JiLlbEBd9YChK7uOO70K6ONxtscwH6u0pDkYma9IwPXe14fVYE05EZeyq_qEjYUQTAbwTsVxmvSu1vY25jnpyBhqGpmUrshV5UTzxyGSP-sJCBZ2w8IhZrJPvftAxkKQiffZ0RVT0fKvtCz8L1U&__tn__=-R
https://www.facebook.com/spongebob/videos/670699089982625/?__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARDRYEh0Bn3NE4qcVvTIrK9DGUCo3kE3rlf50NwJn4Iu2ocJ3dQqwalCGgym0uHG-oJRr_8Uj5m4u8wQ5TuJLS7s6_QqM3_0JiLlbEBd9YChK7uOO70K6ONxtscwH6u0pDkYma9IwPXe14fVYE05EZeyq_qEjYUQTAbwTsVxmvSu1vY25jnpyBhqGpmUrshV5UTzxyGSP-sJCBZ2w8IhZrJPvftAxkKQiffZ0RVT0fKvtCz8L1U&__tn__=-R
jack_of_all_traids
Comic-al
I don't see the dot crawl. Is there something I'm missing?ThatSkynyrdKid70 said:
ThatSkynyrdKid70
2 year club
It's fairly hard to notice, just like DVD versions, but it's there. I think the colors of Palebob is what makes it less noticeable, because normally dotcrawl is caused by a fusion of really bright colors. Look on and around the candle at some points really closely and you might notice it. It's just really hard to notice. I had to rewatch it a few times before I even found one single bit of dot crawl. Might be harder for other people. When I came across it, it was first thing in the morning and I was really bored, so I had much more time to find some. I still haven't found all the dot crawl (granted I might have found the only bit of dot crawl in the one scene, but still), but I ended up giving up. It's too hard to find in this one, but I at least know it's there.jack_of_all_traids said:
LARRY22
Giant Clam
Watch Nature Pants/Opposite Day air on Nick USA. Who else notices that the colors are very oversatured?
LARRY22
Giant Clam
I found this link, and I think this is on here.11th said:
There isn't any camera panning, but I found some images.
https://mega.nz/#F!xYNmwTaB!kW4Squ8sgqe96LZAcddGeQ!QEUzULQL
spongebranch
Banished
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os4P_n6DAnY
Survival of the Idiots without dot crawl or VHS effect in general on Nick On Demand En Español
also I discovered that The Secret Box and Band Geeks when airing on Nick having SpongeBob with a normal shade of yellow is actually a color calibration error in their transfers. SpongeBob having an even darker shade of yellow than usual is actually an animation error that's pretty much burned into the negatives and animation files of those episodes sadly.
Also every episode on the Viking Sized Adventures DVD has PaleBob.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK2rJXO3euQ
Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy III without dot crawl or rainbow artifacts in the German dub
Survival of the Idiots without dot crawl or VHS effect in general on Nick On Demand En Español
also I discovered that The Secret Box and Band Geeks when airing on Nick having SpongeBob with a normal shade of yellow is actually a color calibration error in their transfers. SpongeBob having an even darker shade of yellow than usual is actually an animation error that's pretty much burned into the negatives and animation files of those episodes sadly.
Also every episode on the Viking Sized Adventures DVD has PaleBob.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK2rJXO3euQ
Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy III without dot crawl or rainbow artifacts in the German dub
spongebranch
Banished
I edited my previous comment to show that Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy III might just exist without the rainbow effect
edit: I discovered that the Hebrew dub has no rainbow artifacts, pretty much confirming that the episode exists without the VHS effect (note the awkward silence until SpongeBob and Patrick show up)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKJyi7dqo44
edit: I discovered that the Hebrew dub has no rainbow artifacts, pretty much confirming that the episode exists without the VHS effect (note the awkward silence until SpongeBob and Patrick show up)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKJyi7dqo44
LARRY22
Giant Clam
Nice find :thumb1: So 'The Secret Box' and 'Band Geeks' having SpongeBob a strange shade of yellow wasn't meant to be animated like that, and the source files possibly have the issue?spongebranch said:
Yes! Thank you, so it is very possible that Nick has thier original animation files. I haven't seen the episode look so clean and artifact-less (if that's a word, lol).spongebranch said:
For the Patchy segments/live-action in Season 2, do you think they are availible without dot crawl or rainbow artifacts?
spongebranch
Banished
1. Well, I found out on the Lost Media Discord that it was a color calibration error in Nickelodeon USA's broadcast masters. You can tell that some artifacts (like the sky) appear even lighter than usual whenever they air it, similar to how when Cartoon Network first aired that one Regular Show episode and it was somewhat unfinished. The source files were made that way with the darker yellow as even the international transfers have it.LARRY22 said:
2. Technically it's not just the original animation files, it's the Viacom International transfers which can look amazingly fresh no matter how old they are. It's a Nickelodeon flag logo that can save the quality of everything in SpongeBob.
3. They do, I saw the Croatian dub and they had no dot crawl.
Original Raw and Uncut
Two-Headed Starfish
spongebranch said:
Where on the discord did you find this, and was there any paticular reason why the VHS effect faded away in season 3
spongebranch
Banished
Original Raw and Uncut said:
SpongeBob's dark shade of yellow in The Secret Box and Band Geeks can be declared pretty much an animation error at this point
as the non-USA airings all have it
you can tell on Nickelodeon they just turned the saturation up
jozsef
10/10/2018
@BANNED JOHNNY That was a broadcast colour error.
As I mentioned last night, the same issue came up with Regular Show, where all the colours were over-saturated and nearly unwatchable.
BANNED JOHNNY
10/10/2018
well yes
jozsef
10/10/2018
It wasn't intentionally turned up, just saying.
copied and pasted this from an old Discord comment
and I think it was because it was around the time Nickelodeon had stopped transferring their broadcast prints of shows from composite on a regular basis. (around 2001-2002)
Servo
katz stan
I Mean, it's VHS so it's gotta be expected.
Original Raw and Uncut
Two-Headed Starfish
Any official nick datatbase on why episodes made around 2000 have the supposed VHS effect
spongebranch
Banished
I honestly don't even know why.Original Raw and Uncut said:
They ironically could just use the Viacom International raw transfers with this logo at the end of the intro on Seasons 1-6 and episodes 127-139 and 143-146 in Season 7. They always tend to look really fresh and new even when they can date back to late 1999 at the earliest because they knew NEVER to transfer them over composite.
Then again they could exclusively have them on Nicktoons knowing Nickelodeon's method of commercials.
spongebranch
Banished
If i'm correct, the original version of Just One Bite exists without dot crawl in the Korean and Serbian dubs.
Watching the SpongeBob episode "Frankendoodle" air on Nick and it has to have the worst case of dot crawl I have ever seen in the entire series. Even worse than SpongeGuard on Duty and Jellyfish Hunter/The Fry Cook Games' dot crawl on Nickelodeon airings. Infact it's so bad that you can even see white streaks on the flower clouds and sharp edges around the pencil. It appears almost as if it was transferred over 3 CRT tv screens before being broadcast on Nickelodeon in the USA. It's so bad it's even noticeable from 15 feet away on a CRT tv screen.
It's so weird how Nicktoons airings of the SpongeBob episodes "The Abrasive Side/Earworm" have no Palebob.
Nicktoons
Nickelodeon
sorry for the incorrect datestamps. These were clearly taken in October 2018.
I know I have a CRT tv screen that has dot crawl and rainbow artifacts. I can notice dot crawl on transfers even on that because it's more noticeable from a distance on CRT screens.
Watching the SpongeBob episode "Frankendoodle" air on Nick and it has to have the worst case of dot crawl I have ever seen in the entire series. Even worse than SpongeGuard on Duty and Jellyfish Hunter/The Fry Cook Games' dot crawl on Nickelodeon airings. Infact it's so bad that you can even see white streaks on the flower clouds and sharp edges around the pencil. It appears almost as if it was transferred over 3 CRT tv screens before being broadcast on Nickelodeon in the USA. It's so bad it's even noticeable from 15 feet away on a CRT tv screen.
It's so weird how Nicktoons airings of the SpongeBob episodes "The Abrasive Side/Earworm" have no Palebob.
Nicktoons
I know I have a CRT tv screen that has dot crawl and rainbow artifacts. I can notice dot crawl on transfers even on that because it's more noticeable from a distance on CRT screens.
Original Raw and Uncut
Two-Headed Starfish
You need a new TV, it looks like the blue tube is shot. CRT TVs get really bad color when they agespongebranch said:If i'm correct, the original version of Just One Bite exists without dot crawl in the Korean and Serbian dubs.
Watching the SpongeBob episode "Frankendoodle" air on Nick and it has to have the worst case of dot crawl I have ever seen in the entire series. Even worse than SpongeGuard on Duty and Jellyfish Hunter/The Fry Cook Games' dot crawl on Nickelodeon airings. Infact it's so bad that you can even see white streaks on the flower clouds and sharp edges around the pencil. It appears almost as if it was transferred over 3 CRT tv screens before being broadcast on Nickelodeon in the USA. It's so bad it's even noticeable from 15 feet away on a CRT tv screen.
It's so weird how Nicktoons airings of the SpongeBob episodes "The Abrasive Side/Earworm" have no Palebob.
Nicktoons
Nickelodeon
sorry for the incorrect datestamps. These were clearly taken in October 2018.
I know I have a CRT tv screen that has dot crawl and rainbow artifacts. I can notice dot crawl on transfers even on that because it's more noticeable from a distance on CRT screens.