Visual Artifacts Found in SpongeBob

spongebranch said:
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I just noticed that the SpongeBob episodes "A Flea in Her Dome/The Donut of Shame/The Krusty Plate" have dot crawl on DVD releases.
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All DVD releases with the episodes or just the Season 5 DVD release?
 
Question - I notice that you guys are using phrases like 'original master' or 'original copy'. I'm confused. What does that mean? The raw master tapes? The raw computer files at Rough Draft Studios where they store the completed animation of each SpongeBob episode (aside from Season 1)?

Any help will be appriciated :)
 
LARRY22 said:
Question - I notice that you guys are using phrases like 'original master' or 'original copy'. I'm confused. What does that mean? The raw master tapes? The raw computer files at Rough Draft Studios where they store the completed animation of each SpongeBob episode (aside from Season 1)?

Any help will be appriciated :)
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Yes, the raw untouched studio prints of each episode
 
Original Raw and Uncut said:
Yes, the raw untouched studio prints of each episode
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Oh, thanks!
What do you think they used for the DVDs? I don't know if they used the studio prints if episodes like 'Have You Seen This Snail?' has dot crawl in some scenes, and other scenes are fully clean. Maybe for the DVDs they didn't use the raw episode computer files and instead used cleaner masters (Seasons 2-8)?
 
LARRY22 said:
A video from ExtraAbsorbent -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vggzcNR37ww
For the video above (which was ripped from the 'It's a SpongeBob Christmas!' Blu-ray by the way) I really wonder if Nickelodeon used the original source file of Wormy (The computer files), or if they were lazy and just used a cleaner master tape of the episode to make the Blu-ray. It looks crisp for 480p though, and it doesn't have PaleBob, which is always a plus :thumbsup:, so to keep it safe, I'm gonna guess that they used the source file of the episode, since I don't think tapes can look that crisp. Correct me if I'm wrong though anyone.
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It's literally just ripping the episodes from the nautical nonsense and spongebuddies DVD. It rips the paramount logo and old nick logo from that DVD as well. It's not upscaled or new to my knowledge. It just looks like the normal episode and their DVD quality.
 
I think I have found some clips of the raw copies of some episodes on Nick Animation's YouTube channel. I believe the raw studio versions of the episodes 'Mrs. Puff, You're Fired', and 'One Krabs Trash' are being displayed on the screen, because they are logoless, aside from the timer on the top-left corner, the aspect ratio is in full 4:3, it looks really clean, and also, it would make sense for them to display the studio version since they are at Nick Studios :P If you're wondering what's going on in the video itself, middle school kids are using props that created certain sound effects in production.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrwHRwxwDQE
 
Question - I know this is somewhat of a minor thing, but how come in the first few seasons, there is a kind of small black line in the very bottom-right corner of the screen? The line is small, but why is it there? Is it a part of the animation or what else? How does it happen in the first place?

Look at these images as an example and you will see what I mean. Again, look very close at the bottom-right corner. This happens on TV airings too.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-KRi-Mhsss

Is it possible that the raw episode files at the Nickelodeon Animation Studio have this problem, or is it likely that they do not have this problem?









Sorry for the double-post everyone, but I also found out that the Patchy & Potty segments of 'Christmas Who?' have dot crawl for whatever reason, even on the Season 2 DVD release. If you look at the red text that says 'Patchy', you will see what I mean. The main animation itself for the episode has no dot crawl, however.
 
LARRY22 said:
Question - I know this is somewhat of a minor thing, but how come in the first few seasons, there is a kind of small black line in the very bottom-right corner of the screen? The line is small, but why is it there? Is it a part of the animation or what else? How does it happen in the first place?

Look at these images as an example and you will see what I mean. Again, look very close at the bottom-right corner. This happens on TV airings too.

yQKbkb8.png

hiwPsSO.png

98deOPu.png

jwqcG8L.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-KRi-Mhsss

Is it possible that the raw episode files at the Nickelodeon Animation Studio have this problem, or is it likely that they do not have this problem?









Sorry for the double-post everyone, but I also found out that the Patchy & Potty segments of 'Christmas Who?' have dot crawl for whatever reason, even on the Season 2 DVD release. If you look at the red text that says 'Patchy', you will see what I mean. The main animation itself for the episode has no dot crawl, however.
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It may be a missing pixel in the production files. Season 1 doesn't have that, cause, you know, cels.
spongebranch said:
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I just noticed that the SpongeBob episodes "A Flea in Her Dome/The Donut of Shame/The Krusty Plate" have dot crawl on DVD releases.
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It makes it look like a 2000 Cartoon Network VHS
 
Original Raw and Uncut said:
It may be a missing pixel in the production files. Season 1 doesn't have that, cause, you know, cels.
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Thanks for the response. So it wasn't animated like that. Do you think it is possible for the people at Nick to recover the pixels in the black area somehow?
 
LARRY22 said:
Question - I know this is somewhat of a minor thing, but how come in the first few seasons, there is a kind of small black line in the very bottom-right corner of the screen? The line is small, but why is it there? Is it a part of the animation or what else? How does it happen in the first place?

Look at these images as an example and you will see what I mean. Again, look very close at the bottom-right corner. This happens on TV airings too.

yQKbkb8.png

hiwPsSO.png

98deOPu.png

jwqcG8L.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-KRi-Mhsss

Is it possible that the raw episode files at the Nickelodeon Animation Studio have this problem, or is it likely that they do not have this problem?









Sorry for the double-post everyone, but I also found out that the Patchy & Potty segments of 'Christmas Who?' have dot crawl for whatever reason, even on the Season 2 DVD release. If you look at the red text that says 'Patchy', you will see what I mean. The main animation itself for the episode has no dot crawl, however.
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Probably because the Patchy segments were videotaped. The Bikini Atoll footage was videotaped also and in episodes like "Dumped", even in the German and Polish dubs, it shows.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y85bLZrxODY
The German dub of the SpongeBob episode Jellyfish Hunter has no dot crawl.

and I discovered Nick.com's "en espanol" section's prints of the SpongeBob episode "Frankendoodle" have massive dot crawl yet "Welcome to the Chum Bucket" looks perfectly fine (and I can assume that Nickelodeon Latin America's masters have the same also if they use Nickelodeon Latin America masters for that. They even have Procrastination/I'm With Stupid with it's original colors and that deleted scene in the former)
 
LARRY22 said:
Thanks for the response. So it wasn't animated like that. Do you think it is possible for the people at Nick to recover the pixels in the black area somehow?
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It's an educated guess. But I'm not sure, Spongebob has very complicated animation compared to other shows

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Another Question - So from what everyone is saying, Seasons 1-5 were post-produced and finalized on master tapes, but are the film elements for SpongeBob Season 1 finalized as well, with the end credits and opening sequence instated on the 35mm negatives? Also, are the digital files for Seasons 2-5 at Nick the product finalized as well like the master tapes, with the end credits and opening sequence added on, or are we stuck with master tapes forever?
 
LARRY22 said:
Another Question - So from what everyone is saying, Seasons 1-5 were post-produced and finalized on master tapes, but are the film elements for SpongeBob Season 1 finalized as well, with the end credits and opening sequence instated on the 35mm negatives? Also, are the digital files for Seasons 2-5 at Nick the product finalized as well like the master tapes, with the end credits and opening sequence added on, or are we stuck with master tapes forever?
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I'm pretty sure they were finalized digitally as the non-USA airings have no dot crawl or rainbow effect at all. I mean just look at Poland and Germany. (even when Germany's prints can date back to 2002 at the earliest)

are we not gonna mention early Season 7 episodes having a noticeable gray filter added on DVD prints? Especially bad in SpongeBob's Last Stand during the Give Jellyfish Fields a Chance song where here it looks like a TurboNick Latin America print https://www.sbmania.net/pictures.php?id=134&page=25
 
spongebranch said:
I'm pretty sure they were finalized digitally as the non-USA airings have no dot crawl or rainbow effect at all. I mean just look at Poland and Germany. (even when Germany's prints can date back to 2002 at the earliest)

are we not gonna mention early Season 7 episodes having a noticeable gray filter added on DVD prints? Especially bad in SpongeBob's Last Stand during the Give Jellyfish Fields a Chance song where here it looks like a TurboNick Latin America print https://www.sbmania.net/pictures.php?id=134&page=25
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Thanks! This is going to be a pretty long post by the way so bare with me :P


You're right, I noticed that the non-USA arings of Seasons 2-5 have no issues at all, aside from some subtle interlacing, so I guess that means that somewhere at Nick, they have secret raw digitized versions of the older episodes (not including Season 1) that aren't master tape copies, but instead files :).

Seasons 1-5 have so much potential to look visually pleasing when they aren't just using master tapes to display the episodes :D It makes me wonder what they used for the NN&SB DVD, because yes the episodes look clean, but knowing how Nickelodeon can be, they probably just used a clean master tape for each episode instead of the digital source files.

For the gray filter in SpongeBob's Last Stand, and other early Season 7 episodes, I feel like it was added on accident as they were making the Season 7 DVD, or it was animated like that, but I think the former is more likely.

As far as Season 1, do you think the film elements are finalized? Here are a couple of videos that are pretty interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRPep55zMCE
So in this video, the one and only, Stephen Hillenburg, creator of this beloved series, talks about how he started making this cartoon, and how this show came to be, and while that is happening, some clips of the pilot episode/1st episode 'Help Wanted' and the 3rd episode 'Tea at the Treedome'. The episodes look pretty clean, but they are most likely from Amazon or iTunes, or they are cleaner masters, and not the 35mm film elements, because there is a white alias around the characters and backgrounds.

The next video is what makes me even more curious however.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj1jykfGP6o

At the 15:19 mark, Adam Paloian pulls up the full storyboard of SB-129, which was originally called SpongeBob 3000, so I guess they do have the storyboards for other episodes, as I see a big list on the computer Adam is using, so because of that, my theory is that each frame of each episode from Seasons 2-onwards is on there, or at least one of the computers.


I would watch this podcast video below for funsies, and also because it has quite a bit of helpful information. :thumb1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPgeGHF_AyY
 
Yeah, the VHS is pretty apparent in some episodes. Thankfully a lot of episodes are pretty clean.
 
11th said:
I wish that the high-res scan of the panning show title was found before they updated the intro. The crew did what they could to clean the SD one up, but some spots where edits were made are very obvious, and there are other spots where it's a bit pixelated from being upscaled.

They probably don't have most of the episode cels, as a good number have been sold. They may have the film, though.

I'm not sure which program(s) seasons 2 and 3 were animated in, but I think 4-8 was all in Toon Boom, which is vector-based. They would just need to double check that the background scans are high enough resolution, and if so then they could re-render the episodes at 1080p SD (1440x1080)... if they still have the TB files.

Might be worth asking Adam Paloian about. He mentioned a while back that he was poking Nickelodeon's archives about such things.
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I know this post is over two months old :P but according to here, Seasons 2 and 3 used a program called Toonz, and Seasons 4 and onwards used Toon Boom to color.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Flash_animated_television_series

Is Toonz vector-based like Toon Boom?
 
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